Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-14.txt

Mary Barnes <> Thu, 10 May 2018 20:36 UTC

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Oops..I didn't offlist...didn't mean to belabor the discussion but folks
jumping in with minimal knowledge of the issue isn't helpful.

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Mary Barnes <>

> Offlist...
> You were positing that meeting in cold climates in winter would reduce the
> potential for indoor mold.  That isn't the case and your notion that humid
> climates mean more buildings with indoor mold is a misperception. You only
> have to look at the list of the worst states for indoor mold in homes to
> know that's the case:
> mold/  - only 2 of the top 10 states are places where one would consider
> there to be excess humidity.  And, as I noted previously, one of the states
> (Nevada) is one of the driest states in the US and I found a hotel there
> with really bad mold issues.  It's NOT the outdoor climate that causes the
> problem nearly as much as it is building design and maintenance.
> And, btw, your humidifier that you might use in the winter in a dry indoor
> climate itself can be a source of mold.  And, a poorly ventilated shower
> room in ANY climate can introduce mold issues.  You are really missing that
> the outdoor air has minimal impact on indoor air quality, in particular
> given the fact the energy efficient building practices that actually make
> the problem worse. In many cases in the US, a 100 year old house on average
> has a far better air quality than one built in the 1980s.
> It continues to amaze me after 20 years of IETF discussions how those with
> no experience in a particular area posit that they know just as much as
> those that have extensive experience and training (I have CMEs from
> conferences dealing with mold issues - both the buildings and the
> illness).
> Regards,
> Mary.
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Ole Jacobsen <> wrote:
>> I am not sure what you are disagreeing about: humidity often leads to
>> mold, dry air less so. Condensation, leaky windows, etc, etc, all are the
>> result of "too much water" indoors (from the air generally speaking). I
>> never said colder climates don't have mold, I did say it is almost
>> guaranteed in high-humidity environs, UNLESS you can really control the
>> climate in the room/building which would include dehumidifiers etc.
>> Such systems are rare!
>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>> Editor & Publisher
>> The Internet Protocol Journal
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