Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Antw: Re: Antw: [EXT] Re: NTPv5 draft
Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Tue, 01 December 2020 13:49 UTC
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Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de said: > Is that pure theory, or actual measurements? I mean you'll have to do either > memory-mapped I/O which won't be cached (hopefully), or you'll have to read I/ > O ports. Or do you talk about something inside the CPU? If so that may have > high precision until the CPU goes to power saving or whatever. Intel has an instruction, rdtsc, that reads the TSC register. It counts cycles. Early implementations had problems since it counted CPU cycles rather than counting at a constant rate. Those have all been sorted out. It takes a long time to read it. I don't know the details of what happens on SMP systems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Stamp_Counter There is some shared memory. vdso is the buzzword. There is a man page. If the shared memory has a time stamp, and a TSC reading for that time, and a scale factor that turns TSC ticks into nanoseconds, you can compute the time as (newTSC-oldTSC)*scale + base_time. There is some interesting hacking required to maintain precision and avoid overflow and such. (And more hacking to avoid a race condition when things get updated.) The similar instruction on ARM is illegal in user mode unless you turn on a magic bit. I have no idea why. Maybe some kernel option turns it on by now. Or maybe it was MIPS. ???? ---------- >> So the clock is ticking at somewhere between 2 and 53 ns. > Where did you get that 2 from? Assuming your read delay is between 50 and Typo. It should be 52 > (Raspberry Pi 3 Model B running Fedora aarch64) > ns hits > 52 497520 > 53 45070 > 104 381437 > 105 75962 > 156 4 > 7 samples were bigger than 2551. That clock steps by 52-53. There are no hits between o-53 and 53-104 and 105-156. On an Intel, I see this histogram: (i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz) ns hits 19 489605 20 412237 21 62486 22 35190 23 63 24 50 25 55 26 50 27 57 28 56 -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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