Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type
Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> Mon, 12 December 2011 18:30 UTC
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From: Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se>
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:32:00 +0100
To: William Mills <wmills@yahoo-inc.com>
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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type
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Exactly 11 dec 2011 kl. 18:27 skrev William Mills <wmills@yahoo-inc.com>: > They are only compatible in the sense that they share the same security characteristics. > > From: Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> > To: Paul Madsen <paul.madsen@gmail.com> > Cc: "oauth@ietf.org" <oauth@ietf.org> > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 3:28 AM > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type > > As an implementor of a toolkit let me offer this: the only use/requirement of mac that I've seen is for backwards compat with 1.0a. > > > > 4 dec 2011 kl. 14:15 skrev Paul Madsen <paul.madsen@gmail.com>: > >> Commercial OAuth authorization servers are neither 'toolkits' nor 'purpose built code' - not used to build OAuth clients/servers but yet required to support more variety in deployments than a single purpose built server. >> >> But, that variety is driven by customer demand, and none of ours (yet?) have demanded MAC. If and when that demand comes, we will add support. >> >> To stipulate MAC as MTI would in no way reflect what the market wants. And 'interop' nobody wants is not meaningful interop. >> >> paul >> >> On 12/3/11 4:37 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >>> >>> Stephen says: >>>> On 12/02/2011 03:20 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: >>>>> Maybe what would work best is some text that suggests what I say >>>>> above: that toolkits intended for use in implementing OAuth services >>>>> in general... implement [X and/or Y], and that code written for a >>>>> specific environment implement what makes sense for that environment. >>>>> It seems to me that to require any particular implementation in the >>>>> latter case is arbitrary and counter-productive, and doesn't help >>>>> anything interoperate. Whereas general-purpose toolkits that >>>>> implement everything DO help interop. >>>> That'd work just fine for me. >>> OK, so here's what I suggest... I propose adding a new section 7.2, thus: >>> >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 7.2 Access Token Implementation Considerations >>> >>> Access token types have to be mutually understood among the >>> authorization server, the resource server, and the client -- the >>> access token issues the token, the resource server validates it, and >>> the client is required to understand the type, as noted in section >>> 7.1, above. Because of that, interoperability of program code >>> developed separately depends upon the token types that are supported >>> in the code. >>> >>> Toolkits that are intended for general use (for building other clients >>> and/or servers), therefore, SHOULD implement as many token types as >>> practical, to ensure that programs developed with those toolkits are >>> able to use the token types they need. In particular, all general-use >>> toolkits MUST implement bearer tokens [...ref...] and MAC tokens >>> [...ref...]. >>> >>> Purpose-built code, built without such toolkits, has somewhat more >>> flexibility, as its developers know the specific environment they're >>> developing for. There's clearly little point to including code to >>> support a particular token type when it's known in advance that the >>> type in question will never be used in the intended deployment. >>> Developers of purpose-built code are encouraged to consider future >>> extensions and to plan ahead for changes in circumstances, and might >>> still want to include support for multiple token types. That said, >>> the choice of token-type support for such purpose-built code is left >>> to the developers and their specific requirements. >>> ----------------------------------- >>> >>> I think that expresses a reasonable compromise that might actually be >>> followed and might actually do some good. Comments? Can we go with >>> this and close this issue? (And, sorry, I've been a Bad Chair, and >>> haven't put this in the tracker.) >>> >>> Barry >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OAuth mailing list >>> OAuth@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list >> OAuth@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > >
- [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Phil Hunt
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Michael D Adams
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Michael D Adams
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Michael Thomas
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Michael D Adams
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Bart Wiegmans
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Blaine Cook
- [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Re: Mandatory-to-implement token … Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Re: Mandatory-to-implement to… André DeMarre
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Re: Mandatory-to-implement to… Richer, Justin P.
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Re: Mandatory-to-implement to… André DeMarre
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Re: Mandatory-to-implement to… Dan Taflin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Mike Jones
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type John Bradley
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Paul Madsen
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Mike Jones
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Eran Hammer-Lahav
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Blaine Cook
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Justin Richer
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Marius Scurtescu
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Leif Johansson
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Leif Johansson
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type William Mills
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Blaine Cook
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Leif Johansson
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Barry Leiba
- Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type Stephen Farrell