Re: [Pearg] [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?

Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> Thu, 05 January 2023 16:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Pearg] [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?
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On Jan 5, 2023, at 11:00 AM, Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski.netmagic@gmail.com> wrote:
> All of this may explain the lack of "boots on the ground" in the IETF.  The boots have moved to other more pragmatic, real-world ground. :-)

  The IETF still has change control over key Internet protocols.  Which means that large swaths of the Internet rely on insecure / outdated / broken protocols.

  And that means those protocols won't be updated, even if some efforts have moved elsewhere.

  Alan DeKok.