Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00
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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
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Subject: Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00
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> > * Confidential ML model: Microsoft talked about this category of use > > cases at the recent Microsoft //build conference. > > Is a reference to the conference itself the right thing? No, you can delete that sentence. That was just a FYI, doesn't need to be in any doc. > How is this different from the media and DRM situation? Yes it's probably similar in many ways. The players and ecosystem are different, with different legal protections (or lack thereof) in various jurisdictions though, so I consider it a different use case. > > * Critical infrastructure: when a protocol operation can affect some > > critical system, the device attached to the critical > > This one seems rather abstract to me. The others are primarily about access to data, or network access. This one is about access to local peripherals. Dave
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Carl Wallace
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] 答复: More use cases for draft-richardso… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comments Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Laurence Lundblade
- [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-rats-u… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Anthony Nadalin
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Smith, Ned
- [Rats] 答复: More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Carl Wallace
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Thomas Fossati
- [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richardson… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Anders Rundgren
- [Rats] aligning the use case documents appropriat… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Shawn Willden
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Shawn Willden
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Carl Wallace
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Thomas Hardjono
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] draft-richardson-rats-usecases-00 comm… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Carl Wallace
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Android attestations: Re: draft-richar… Carl Wallace
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] More use cases for draft-richardson-ra… Michael Richardson