Re: [rrg] Why won't supporters of Loc/ID Separation (CEE) argue their case?

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Wed, 10 March 2010 17:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rrg] Why won't supporters of Loc/ID Separation (CEE) argue their case?
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Robin Whittle allegedly wrote on 03/08/2010 05:52 EST:
>> I reject the classification of CEE vs CES.  To me that division is about as
>> useful as the set of proposals that begin with the letter 'I'.  Sure, it's a
>> division, but it doesn't really tell us anything insightful about the
>> solution space. 
> 
> OK - this is your view.  Like Ran, Joel and Lixia who have also
> expressed this view, you haven't written to the list why you regard
> this distinction as being of no architectural or practical
> significance.
> 
> Other people think it is an important and meaningful distinction.  To
> see why I think it is architecturally important please see the
> messages I link to in msg06187.  My attempt to trace the history of
> the terms and to discuss some ambiguities in what is being
> "separated" in Core-Edge Separation can be found in msg06110.

CES/CEE is a useful dimension for comparison but (1) it's not binary,
despite our wishes, and (2) there are other dimensions that are also
important.  We just couldn't figure out how to use them for effective
comparisons.  See the various taxonomy attempts.

Scott