Re: [rtcweb] Protesting the QoS document decision

Magnus Westerlund <> Fri, 20 December 2013 09:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Protesting the QoS document decision
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On 2013-12-19 18:20, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 8:12 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote:
>> This is clearly a failure by us chairs to ensure
>> sufficient transparency and a venue to timely protest that decision.
> A failure in transparency is actually the lesser offense, though lesser
> does not mean minor.
> The deeper error is that the chairs felt they had authority to make a
> decision that really belonged to the working group.
> This occurrence seems to be an exemplar of a pattern.


I know we wrote decision in our response, and I would like to expand a
bit why. In this particular case the discussion between the TSV and RAI
ADs, the TSVWG and RTCWEB chairs as well as the draft-ietf-rtcweb-qos
authors resulted in an implicit decision. I stated that as being us
chairs taking a decision, that was due to our failure of properly anchor
this in the WG.

What in my mind should have occurred, but didn't in this case, would be
to do the following:

1. Send an email to the WG stating an intention to move the document.
Including the main motivations for the action. Provide a dead-line when
this will be done unless objections have been raised.

2. When the dead-line has been reached, assuming no objections document
it as the decided.

Do you think I as a chair is overstepping my authority if I follow the
above process in these cases where discussion is occurring in a smaller
group and some proposed direction is reached?

I note that in this particular case it could have been the ADs that
could have made the decision. However, as this wasn't communicated as an
AD decision, I will not attempt to hide my responsibility behind such a
line of argumentation.

Merry Christmas

Magnus Westerlund
(My view as an individual Chair)

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