Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops
Danny McPherson <danny@tcb.net> Sun, 30 October 2011 13:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops
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On Oct 30, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > note that the RIRs were talking 24 hour publication cycles, last i heard > (long ago, i admit). [ i thought this was nutso ] so a lot of this has > yet to play out. I see 4-6 hours in the document, but what do you really think is reasonable here for RIRs or other participants Randy? One of the concerns I have is publication or download delays for new information resulting in operational issues we all experienced with IRR object publication and mirroring that led to a slew of manual IRR [repository] downloads, routing policy updates, and route "bounces" or session resets. Given, we're in a far better place than this today with incrementally updated prefix filters and route refresh offsetting BGP/TCP statefulness, and prefix-validation with rpki-rtr to delivery origin validation data to routers helps with where we're going, but I'm still concerned that if we don't expressly aim to understand publication and synchronization dynamics issues can arise that lead to considerable delays in getting even "business day" resolution to a problem. -danny
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- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Jay Borkenhagen
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Shane Amante
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Shane Amante
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Shane Amante
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops George, Wes
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Shane Amante
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Rob Austein
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Danny McPherson
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Christopher Morrow
- Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-origin-ops Randy Bush