Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec?
Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com> Thu, 19 January 2012 22:18 UTC
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:45:08 -0500
To: Eric Osterweil <eosterweil@verisign.com>
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Subject: Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec?
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At 3:07 PM -0500 1/19/12, Eric Osterweil wrote: >... > >Like I said, this is not something I (personally) feel the need to >rehash here. If those on the other thread ("[sidr] I-D Action: >draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-23.txt") were content w/ its resolution, so >be it. But, iirc, there seemed to be some... lingering >disagreement, no? I think there was confusion re this topic, and that the RYR protocol doc could be improved by adding text in the security considerations section to clarify the trust model envisioned by the authors. >... > >I just took a read through that draft, thanks for the pointer! :) you're welcome. >OOC, were you all imagining that the CMC authentication for these >BGPsec routers would use a shared secret or a pre-installed >certified key o each remote router? Also, do you happen to know >which nation states require key escrow these days? This is a local matter, so each ISP can decide what approach they wish to adopt. I personally prefer installing the cert for the CA. When key escrow has been required, it has usually been mandated for keys used for encryption, not for integrity or authentication. Since we're discussing integrity & authentication here, it is not clear that there are any applicable key escrow regulations. Also, the IETF general policy has been to ignore any nation-specific crypto regulations when developing standards. Steve
- [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Eric Osterweil
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Richard Barnes
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Ross.Anderson@cl.cam.ac.uk
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Richard Barnes
- [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Ross Anderson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Stephen Kent
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Murphy, Sandra
- Re: [sidr] Key learning procedures in BGPsec? Brian Dickson