Re: [lamps] Call for adoption for draft-ito-documentsigning-eku

Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com> Thu, 29 July 2021 20:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [lamps] Call for adoption for draft-ito-documentsigning-eku
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 2:37 PM Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL <
uri@ll.mit.edu> wrote:

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> As a matter of fact, I do not [share the same concerns], and here’s why:
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>    - *KU* usually is marked Critical, and *everybody* is expected to
>    correctly grok it or die;
>    - *EKU* is *sometimes* marked Critical, and everybody *should* grok it
>    correctly – there’s reasonably small set of them, covering *reasonable*
>    expected use cases;
>    - *Certificate policies* are *rarely* marked Critical, they cover
>    <whatever>, very often admin domain-specific, and if an app cannot grok it
>    – the common practice is “just ignore and proceed”.
>
> This is not an accurate reflection of what EKU is, then. This at least
helps me understand the disconnect, which is a misunderstanding about EKU
and its semantics, at least in terms of what implementation reality
reflects.