Re: [T2TRG] [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge

Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> Wed, 19 July 2023 14:50 UTC

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From: Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org>
To: Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com>
Cc: Xavier De Foy <xavier.defoy=40interdigital.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, 정하 홍 <jhong@etri.re.kr>, yonggeun.hong@gmail.com, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Internet Research Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org>, ietf@kovatsch.net, t2trg@irtf.org
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Thank you - appreciate such a rapid turn-around!
Colin


On 19 Jul 2023, at 15:49, Marie-Jose Montpetit wrote:

> I plan to be done by tomorrow.
>
> mjm
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> marie@mjmontpetit.com
>
>
>
> From: Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> <csp@csperkins.org>
> Reply: Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> <csp@csperkins.org>
> Date: July 19, 2023 at 10:47:10 AM
> To: Xavier De Foy <xavier.defoy=40interdigital.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> <xavier.defoy=40interdigital.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com>
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com>, Carsten
> Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> <cabo@tzi.org>, yonggeun.hong@gmail.com
> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com>, t2trg@irtf.org
> <t2trg@irtf.org> <t2trg@irtf.org>, Internet Research Steering Group
> <irsg@irtf.org> <irsg@irtf.org>, 정하 홍 <jhong@etri.re.kr> 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr>,
> ietf@kovatsch.net <ietf@kovatsch.net> <ietf@kovatsch.net>
> Subject:  Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Thanks, Xavier. Look forward to Marie-Jose's comments on the changes 
> and
> the resulting submission.
>
> Cheers,
> Colin
>
>
> On 18 Jul 2023, at 16:36, Xavier De Foy wrote:
>
> Hi Marie-Jose, thank you again for your review. Sorry for the delayed
> response.
>
>
>
> We will upload a new draft revision when the I-D submission tool 
> reopens.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, here is a pdf including our responses to the 
> comments, and
> a diff showing the related updates to the text. The diff also 
> addresses you
> point about Mobile Edge X (in section 4.1).
>
>
>
> Please let us know if you have any further comments.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Xavier, on behalf of the co-authors
>
>
>
> *From:* Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2023 4:07 PM
> *To:* Xavier De Foy <Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com>; Carsten Bormann <
> cabo@tzi.org>
> *Cc:* yonggeun.hong@gmail.com; ietf@kovatsch.net; Internet Research
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org>; Kutscher, Dirk <ietf@dkutscher.net>; 
> Eve
> Schooler <eve.schooler@gmail.com>; t2trg@irtf.org; 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr>
> *Subject:* RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
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>
> It was a pleasure to do it as the topic is of great interest to me :)
>
>
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
>
> marie@mjmontpetit.com
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>
>
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>
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> From: Xavier De Foy <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> Reply: Xavier De Foy <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> Date: May 23, 2023 at 3:51:54 PM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com>,
> Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> <cabo@tzi.org>
> Cc: yonggeun.hong@gmail.com <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com>
> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com>, ietf@kovatsch.net <ietf@kovatsch.net>
> <ietf@kovatsch.net>, Internet Research Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org>
> <irsg@irtf.org>, Kutscher, Dirk <ietf@dkutscher.net> 
> <ietf@dkutscher.net>,
> Eve Schooler <eve.schooler@gmail.com> <eve.schooler@gmail.com>,
> t2trg@irtf.org <t2trg@irtf.org> <t2trg@irtf.org>, 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr>
> <jhong@etri.re.kr>
> Subject:  RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
>
>
>   Thank you for sharing this thorough review, we (co-authors) will 
> prepare
> an update to address your comments and will get back to you. And we 
> will
> also take your comment on Mobile Edge X into account.
>
>
>
>   Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Xavier.
>
>
>
> *From:* Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 23, 2023 3:44 PM
> *To:* Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
> *Cc:* yonggeun.hong@gmail.com; ietf@kovatsch.net; Internet Research
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org>; Kutscher, Dirk <ietf@dkutscher.net>; 
> Eve
> Schooler <eve.schooler@gmail.com>; t2trg@irtf.org; 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr>;
> Xavier De Foy <Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
>
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>
> I just realized that Mobile EdgeX that is mentioned in the draft was
> acquired by Google. So should be updated.
>
>
>
> mjm
>
>
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
>
> marie@mjmontpetit.com
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>
> From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> <cabo@tzi.org>
> Reply: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> <cabo@tzi.org>
> Date: May 22, 2023 at 3:16:30 AM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com>
> Cc: 정하 홍 <jhong@etri.re.kr> <jhong@etri.re.kr>, 
> yonggeun.hong@gmail.com
> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com>, Xavier De Foy
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>,
> ietf@kovatsch.net <ietf@kovatsch.net> <ietf@kovatsch.net>, Eve 
> Schooler
> <eve.schooler@gmail.com> <eve.schooler@gmail.com>, Dirk Kutscher
> <ietf@dkutscher.net> <ietf@dkutscher.net>, Internet Research Steering 
> Group
> <irsg@irtf.org> <irsg@irtf.org>, t2trg@irtf.org <t2trg@irtf.org>
> <t2trg@irtf.org>
> Subject:  Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
> On 2023-05-19, at 18:41, Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your efforts on this as IoT edge is 
>> very
> current. I commented directly on the pdf - attached.
>
> Thank you for the detailed review, which I still have to digest (just
> returned from vacation).
>
>> My overall evaluation is that while everything in the draft is valid 
>> the
> document needs a little bit of updating. IoT is exploding and some of 
> the
> use cases have evolved since you started the draft. And AIoT/AI is now 
> a
> main driver. Finally, while digital twinning is briefly mentioned it 
> should
> be expanded is now also inherently part of the IoT edge.
>
> <hats off>
>
> I agree that both AI and DT should be mentioned, but I think these 
> very
> dynamic fields would also make great subjects for more detailed 
> follow-on
> documents to this more general overview.
> So I wouldn’t recommend delaying the overview while we collect 
> substantial
> new information about them.
>
> Grüße, Carsten
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