Re: [T2TRG] [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge

[Colin Perkins <[e-mail]>]

Thanks - I'll start the IRSG Final Poll.
Colin


On 24 Jul 2023, at 16:16, Xavier De Foy wrote:

> Hi all, a new revision of the draft “IoT Edge Challenges and 
> Functions” is now published.
> Best Regards,
> Xavier, on behalf of the co-authors
> ~
> A new version of I-D, draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Xavier de Foy and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name: draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
> Revision: 09
> Title: IoT Edge Challenges and Functions
> Document date: 2023-07-24
> Group: t2trg
> Pages: 36
> URL: 
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09.txt<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09.txt>
> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge/
> Html: 
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09.html<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09.html>
> Htmlized: 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
> Diff: 
> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09<https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge-09>
>
> Abstract:
> Many IoT applications have requirements that cannot be met by the
> traditional Cloud (aka cloud computing). These include time
> sensitivity, data volume, connectivity cost, operation in the face of
> intermittent services, privacy, and security. As a result, the IoT
> is driving the Internet toward Edge computing. This document
> outlines the requirements of the emerging IoT Edge and its
> challenges. It presents a general model, and major components of the
> IoT Edge, to provide a common base for future discussions in T2TRG
> and other IRTF and IETF groups. This document is a product of the
> IRTF Thing-to-Thing Research Group (T2TRG).
>
>
> From: Colin Perkins <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 2:51 PM
> To: Xavier De Foy <[e-mail]>
> Cc: Marie-Jose Montpetit <[e-mail]>; Carsten Bormann 
> <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; [e-mail]; Internet 
> Research Steering Group <[e-mail]>; 정하 홍 
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> Subject: Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Thanks, all!ColinOn 20 Jul 2023, at 7:39, Xavier De Foy wrote:Thank 
> you Marie-José, We will upload the update when the window reopens 
> (and will check with Eve for the affiliation). Best Regards,Xavier. 
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
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> Thanks, all!
> Colin
>
>
> On 20 Jul 2023, at 7:39, Xavier De Foy wrote:
> Thank you Marie-José,
>
> We will upload the update when the window reopens (and will check with 
> Eve for the affiliation).
>
> Best Regards,
> Xavier.
>
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 06:57
> To: Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> 
> ; Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; Internet Research 
> Steering Group <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Kutscher, Dirk 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Eve Schooler 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; 정하 홍 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Subject: RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
> Woke up early to do this :)
>
> I am happy with the changes. A nit: Eve is not at Intel anymore so 
> maybe you want to put another affiliation?
>
> mjm
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
>
>
>
> From: Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Reply: Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Date: July 18, 2023 at 12:43:08 PM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Carsten 
> Bormann <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Internet Research 
> Steering Group <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Kutscher, Dirk 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Eve Schooler 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 정하 홍 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Subject:  RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Hi Marie-Jose, thank you again for your review. Sorry for the delayed 
> response.
>
> We will upload a new draft revision when the I-D submission tool 
> reopens.
>
> In the meantime, here is a pdf including our responses to the 
> comments, and a diff showing the related updates to the text. The diff 
> also addresses you point about Mobile Edge X (in section 4.1).
>
> Please let us know if you have any further comments.
>
> Best Regards,
> Xavier, on behalf of the co-authors
>
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 4:07 PM
> To: Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> 
> ; Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; Internet Research 
> Steering Group <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Kutscher, Dirk 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Eve Schooler 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; 정하 홍 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Subject: RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
> It was a pleasure to do it as the topic is of great interest to me :)
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
>
>
>
> From: Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Reply: Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Date: May 23, 2023 at 3:51:54 PM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Carsten 
> Bormann <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Internet Research 
> Steering Group <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Kutscher, Dirk 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Eve Schooler 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 정하 홍 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Subject:  RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
>   Thank you for sharing this thorough review, we (co-authors) will 
> prepare an update to address your comments and will get back to you. 
> And we will also take your comment on Mobile Edge X into account.
>
>   Best Regards,
>
> Xavier.
>
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 3:44 PM
> To: Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; Internet Research 
> Steering Group <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Kutscher, Dirk 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Eve Schooler 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> ; 정하 홍 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ; Xavier De Foy 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
> Subject: Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
> I just realized that Mobile EdgeX that is mentioned in the draft was 
> acquired by Google. So should be updated.
>
> mjm
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
>
>
>
> From: Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Reply: Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Date: May 22, 2023 at 3:16:30 AM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Cc: 정하 홍 <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Xavier De 
> Foy 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> 
> , [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Eve Schooler 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Dirk 
> Kutscher <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , Internet 
> Research Steering Group <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]> , 
> [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> 
> <[e-mail]><mailto:[e-mail]>
> Subject:  Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
> On 2023-05-19, at 18:41, Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your efforts on this as IoT edge is 
>> very current. I commented directly on the pdf - attached.
>
> Thank you for the detailed review, which I still have to digest (just 
> returned from vacation).
>
>> My overall evaluation is that while everything in the draft is valid 
>> the document needs a little bit of updating. IoT is exploding and 
>> some of the use cases have evolved since you started the draft. And 
>> AIoT/AI is now a main driver. Finally, while digital twinning is 
>> briefly mentioned it should be expanded is now also inherently part 
>> of the IoT edge.
>
> <hats off>
>
> I agree that both AI and DT should be mentioned, but I think these 
> very dynamic fields would also make great subjects for more detailed 
> follow-on documents to this more general overview.
> So I wouldn’t recommend delaying the overview while we collect 
> substantial new information about them.
>
> Grüße, Carsten
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