Re: [T2TRG] [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge

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Thanks, all!
Colin


On 20 Jul 2023, at 7:39, Xavier De Foy wrote:

> Thank you Marie-José,
>
> We will upload the update when the window reopens (and will check with 
> Eve for the affiliation).
>
> Best Regards,
> Xavier.
>
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit <marie@mjmontpetit.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 06:57
> To: Xavier De Foy <Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com>; Carsten Bormann 
> <cabo@tzi.org>
> Cc: yonggeun.hong@gmail.com; ietf@kovatsch.net; Internet Research 
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org>; Kutscher, Dirk <ietf@dkutscher.net>; 
> Eve Schooler <eve.schooler@gmail.com>; t2trg@irtf.org; 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr>
> Subject: RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Woke up early to do this :) I am happy with the changes. A nit: Eve is 
> not at Intel anymore so maybe you want to put another affiliation?mjm 
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. 
> Ph.D.marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:Ph.D.marie@mjmontpetit.com> From: 
> Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com<mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>> 
> Reply: Xavier De Foy <xav ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ 
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> Woke up early to do this :)
>
> I am happy with the changes. A nit: Eve is not at Intel anymore so 
> maybe you want to put another affiliation?
>
> mjm
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>
>
>
>
> From: Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com><mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> Reply: Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com><mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> Date: July 18, 2023 at 12:43:08 PM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com><mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com> , Carsten 
> Bormann <cabo@tzi.org><mailto:cabo@tzi.org>
> Cc: yonggeun.hong@gmail.com<mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> 
> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com><mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> , 
> ietf@kovatsch.net<mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> 
> <ietf@kovatsch.net><mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> , Internet Research 
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org><mailto:irsg@irtf.org> , Kutscher, Dirk 
> <ietf@dkutscher.net><mailto:ietf@dkutscher.net> , Eve Schooler 
> <eve.schooler@gmail.com><mailto:eve.schooler@gmail.com> , 
> t2trg@irtf.org<mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> 
> <t2trg@irtf.org><mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> , 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr><mailto:jhong@etri.re.kr>
> Subject:  RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
> Hi Marie-Jose, thank you again for your review. Sorry for the delayed 
> response.
>
> We will upload a new draft revision when the I-D submission tool 
> reopens.
>
> In the meantime, here is a pdf including our responses to the 
> comments, and a diff showing the related updates to the text. The diff 
> also addresses you point about Mobile Edge X (in section 4.1).
>
> Please let us know if you have any further comments.
>
> Best Regards,
> Xavier, on behalf of the co-authors
>
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 4:07 PM
> To: Xavier De Foy 
> <Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com<mailto:Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com>> 
> ; Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org<mailto:cabo@tzi.org>>
> Cc: yonggeun.hong@gmail.com<mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> ; 
> ietf@kovatsch.net<mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> ; Internet Research 
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org<mailto:irsg@irtf.org>> ; Kutscher, Dirk 
> <ietf@dkutscher.net<mailto:ietf@dkutscher.net>> ; Eve Schooler 
> <eve.schooler@gmail.com<mailto:eve.schooler@gmail.com>> ; 
> t2trg@irtf.org<mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> ; 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr<mailto:jhong@etri.re.kr>>
> Subject: RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> It was a pleasure to do it as the topic is of great interest to me :) 
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. 
> Ph.D.marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:Ph.D.marie@mjmontpetit.com> From: 
> Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com<mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>> 
> Reply: Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com<mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>> 
> Date: May 23, 2023 at 3:51:54 PMTo: Marie ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ 
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> It was a pleasure to do it as the topic is of great interest to me :)
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> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>
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>
> From: Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com><mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> Reply: Xavier De Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com><mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com>
> Date: May 23, 2023 at 3:51:54 PM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com><mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com> , Carsten 
> Bormann <cabo@tzi.org><mailto:cabo@tzi.org>
> Cc: yonggeun.hong@gmail.com<mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> 
> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com><mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> , 
> ietf@kovatsch.net<mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> 
> <ietf@kovatsch.net><mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> , Internet Research 
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org><mailto:irsg@irtf.org> , Kutscher, Dirk 
> <ietf@dkutscher.net><mailto:ietf@dkutscher.net> , Eve Schooler 
> <eve.schooler@gmail.com><mailto:eve.schooler@gmail.com> , 
> t2trg@irtf.org<mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> 
> <t2trg@irtf.org><mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> , 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr><mailto:jhong@etri.re.kr>
> Subject:  RE: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
>   Thank you for sharing this thorough review, we (co-authors) will 
> prepare an update to address your comments and will get back to you. 
> And we will also take your comment on Mobile Edge X into account.
>
>   Best Regards,
>
> Xavier.
>
> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 3:44 PM
> To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org<mailto:cabo@tzi.org>>
> Cc: yonggeun.hong@gmail.com<mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> ; 
> ietf@kovatsch.net<mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> ; Internet Research 
> Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org<mailto:irsg@irtf.org>> ; Kutscher, Dirk 
> <ietf@dkutscher.net<mailto:ietf@dkutscher.net>> ; Eve Schooler 
> <eve.schooler@gmail.com<mailto:eve.schooler@gmail.com>> ; 
> t2trg@irtf.org<mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> ; 정하 홍 
> <jhong@etri.re.kr<mailto:jhong@etri.re.kr>> ; Xavier De Foy 
> <Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com<mailto:Xavier.DeFoy@InterDigital.com>>
> Subject: Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
>
> I just realized that Mobile EdgeX that is mentioned in the draft was 
> acquired by Google. So should be updated.
>
> mjm
>
> Marie-José Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
> marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>
>
>
>
> From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org><mailto:cabo@tzi.org>
> Reply: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org><mailto:cabo@tzi.org>
> Date: May 22, 2023 at 3:16:30 AM
> To: Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com><mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>
> Cc: 정하 홍 <jhong@etri.re.kr><mailto:jhong@etri.re.kr> , 
> yonggeun.hong@gmail.com<mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> 
> <yonggeun.hong@gmail.com><mailto:yonggeun.hong@gmail.com> , Xavier De 
> Foy 
> <xavier.defoy@interdigital.com><mailto:xavier.defoy@interdigital.com> 
> , ietf@kovatsch.net<mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> 
> <ietf@kovatsch.net><mailto:ietf@kovatsch.net> , Eve Schooler 
> <eve.schooler@gmail.com><mailto:eve.schooler@gmail.com> , Dirk 
> Kutscher <ietf@dkutscher.net><mailto:ietf@dkutscher.net> , Internet 
> Research Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org><mailto:irsg@irtf.org> , 
> t2trg@irtf.org<mailto:t2trg@irtf.org> 
> <t2trg@irtf.org><mailto:t2trg@irtf.org>
> Subject:  Re: [irsg] Review of draft-irtf-t2trg-iot-edge
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
> On 2023-05-19, at 18:41, Marie-Jose Montpetit 
> <marie@mjmontpetit.com<mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your efforts on this as IoT edge is 
>> very current. I commented directly on the pdf - attached.
>
> Thank you for the detailed review, which I still have to digest (just 
> returned from vacation).
>
>> My overall evaluation is that while everything in the draft is valid 
>> the document needs a little bit of updating. IoT is exploding and 
>> some of the use cases have evolved since you started the draft. And 
>> AIoT/AI is now a main driver. Finally, while digital twinning is 
>> briefly mentioned it should be expanded is now also inherently part 
>> of the IoT edge.
>
> <hats off>
>
> I agree that both AI and DT should be mentioned, but I think these 
> very dynamic fields would also make great subjects for more detailed 
> follow-on documents to this more general overview.
> So I wouldn’t recommend delaying the overview while we collect 
> substantial new information about them.
>
> Grüße, Carsten
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