Re: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition - Appendix

Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com> Fri, 21 August 2020 03:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition - Appendix
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The consensus of the design team is relevant as a recommendation to the 
WG, but otherwise is not relevant for whether the WG should agree.  In 
terms of WG adoption, the design team draft has the same status as any 
other individual draft. The WG comes to its conclusion.

There is no obligation for the WG to retain the text from the appendix 
anywhere.  In particular, the WG is under no obligation to retain the 
last paragraph of teh appendix anywhere.

I have not seen any good argument for retaining the text.  It does not 
seem to add to or even fit with the purpose of the definitions draft. 
If anything, it is confusing at it seems to say "this is not a parameter 
/ this is a parameter"

Yours,
Joel

On 8/20/2020 11:17 PM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote:
> Hi Joel,
> 
> In the design team there were several rounds of discussion about the content in the appendix and where it should be placed. The current text in the appendix reflects the consensus of the design team, although some minor edits were not included yet.
> 
> As for whether some of the text in appendix will be moved to the framework document, currently the design team has no specific opinion about this, and feedbacks from WG are appreciated. While as Kiran mentioned, description and discussion about isolation is needed in the NS-DT documents.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jie
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 7:00 AM
>> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>om>; Vishnu Pavan Beeram
>> <vishnupavan@gmail.com>om>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption - draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition -
>> Appendix
>>
>> Since I do not think that the material in the appendix is useful, I for one will not
>> push for adding it to the Framework.  You are welcome to dabate adding it to
>> the framework with the rest of the WG.  But it does not belong in the
>> definitions draft.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Joel
>>
>> On 8/20/2020 5:20 PM, Kiran Makhijani wrote:
>>> Hi Joel,
>>> I am ok to remove some part from Appendix only if it is included in the
>> framework first.
>>>
>>> But for the TSRE, I have proposed clearer and shorter text that they are not
>> visible to the consumer of a transport slices. One of the purpose of definitions
>> document is 'define' common terminology in the scope of transport slices, and
>> all we are saying is that when realizing a transport slice, things TSEs will map to
>> are called TSREs.
>>> I am not able to see the drawback of saying so.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Kiran
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:19 PM
>>>> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>om>; Vishnu Pavan Beeram
>>>> <vishnupavan@gmail.com>om>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption -
>>>> draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition
>>>>
>>>> No, your replies did not in any way address my concerns.
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest removing the references to TSRE and more importantly
>>>> removing appendix A.1, or at least the last part of the appendix.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/2020 2:54 PM, Kiran Makhijani wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joel,
>>>>> After having replied to your comments, we have not heard further if
>>>>> they
>>>> were convincing.
>>>>> Please let us know.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Kiran
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:04 AM
>>>>>> To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>om>; TEAS WG
>>>>>> <teas@ietf.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption -
>>>>>> draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without repairs to the issues I have raised on the email list, I do
>>>>>> not think this document should be adopted as a WG document.
>>>>>> We are close, but not quite there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>> Joel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/19/2020 11:50 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is start of a *three* week poll on making
>>>>>>> draft-nsdt-teas-transport-slice-definition-03 a TEAS working group
>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>> Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do
>>>>>>> not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations
>>>>>>> with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide
>>>>>>> comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG
>> document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The poll ends September 9th (extra week to account for vacation
>> season).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Pavan and Lou
>>>>>>>
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