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Re: [Terminology] [Gendispatch] WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Thread-Topic: [Terminology] [Gendispatch] WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)
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Subject: Re: [Terminology] [Gendispatch] WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)
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  >>     Either we find common cause or getting consensus is hopeless.
    > rough consensus not complete agreement.

>    The way I see it, if you can define a problem in a way that pretty much 
    everyone will agree on the problem statement, you have a much easier 
    time getting some kind of consensus

I am sure we have chartered working groups that did not have unanimity.

HOWEVER, since we seem to be rapidly converging on referencing the NIST document, I'm just gonna shut up. :)

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