Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Mon, 14 December 2020 16:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice
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On 14/12/2020 14:53, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> On 10/11/2020 11:33, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/2020 11:30, tom petch wrote:
>>> Perhaps a second look at the algorithm
>>> to work out why these got missed to get a fix on how many more there may be.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, that's reasonable. (Mightn't be today.)
>
> Just did that check by comparing [1] to the RFCs
> referenced in the draft and best I can see only
> 5953 and 6353 were missing in the end.
>
> I'd argue it's ok to add those without re-doing
> the IETF LC as they were mentioned in early on,
> in the LC, but of course that's the AD's call.
>
> I'm doing the edits for draft-10 now so it'll
> pop out shortly.

Stephen

Thank you for checking. With those two being SNMP
and having both DTLS and TLS I was thinking of
conspiracy theories but no:-)
I should see the announcement of the updated I-D
and will check it when I do.
Like you, I do not see the need for a further LC
just for the addition of those two RFC,

Tom Petch

>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc4347/referencedby/
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.
>>
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