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Re: [Tools-discuss] Let's not be hostile to authors

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sun, 27 June 2021 09:41 UTC

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On 2021-06-27, at 11:00, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
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>> For people actually authoring in XML, the version control history of all but the most recently started documents is in v2.  A wholesale v3 conversion loses all that history.
> 
> I think that's a stretch. AFAIU, the only things that actually need to
> be edited are list and table markup.

Well, I talked about a wholesale conversion.
Manual upgrade is a complete non-starter, and it still pollutes the revision history.

> But yes, revision history is important.

Indeed.

Grüße, Carsten

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