Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-example-00.txt

Andy Newton <> Tue, 14 August 2012 13:59 UTC

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With co-chair hat removed ( I think I left it somewhere in Paris ):

On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> FYI and as previously mentioned. If approved, this document might enable
> us to remove experimental namespace identifiers from 3406bis.

Larry Masinter made a statement at the APPSWG about URNs that I thought was profound and missing from the URN discussions. Hopefully summarizing his statement correctly: each URN NID should be tied to a naming authority for the purpose of resolving collisions and errors in the future. If true, the UUID NID is a mistake, and I think this would be doing the same.

Given that URNs are suppose to have permanence or persistence or whatever we are calling it today and a resolution mechanism, this desire to shoehorn identifiers that need to qualify as a URI into the URN system might be wrong. An identifier that must be a URI does not necessarily need or have all the properties to be a URN. Just an observation.