Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-example-00

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 09 January 2013 16:51 UTC

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On 01/09/2013 11:42 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>> It's the cases where there is no "it" that concern me.   People seem to
>> have gotten the idea that URNs aren't resource identifiers, but rather,
>> nonces.
>>
>> Keith
>
> There is no such case. Somebody mints a UUID for *something*, and at 
> that point there is a "it". It's just not resolvable/testable.
Not so.  Just because someone mints a UUID doesn't mean that there is an 
it.

The whole point of URNs is that the relationship between the name, and 
the thing that is named by the name, cannot change.  If this 
relationship between the name and the thing that is named isn't 
explicit, no such assurance can be made, and it's not appropriate to use 
a URN.

Keith