Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-example-00
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Wed, 09 January 2013 16:01 UTC
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On 2013-01-09 16:59, Keith Moore wrote: > On 01/09/2013 10:48 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> urn:uuid: is used a lot in practice, and I simply don't see a >>>>> practical problem with it. >>> Whether something works well in practice, and whether something conforms >>> to the intent of a standard, are of course two separate questions. >>> >>> Again, URNs were designed to identify resources. If people use them >>> for other things, that's not a problem so long as such use doesn't >>> degrade the intended utility of URNs. It's not like the protocol >>> police are going to chase down the users of UUID URNs and put them in >>> jail if those UUIDs weren't chosen to refer to resources. And of course >>> you can't tell by looking what is named by a URN - and that is a >>> feature, not a bug. >>> >>> But just because people find uses for URNs that weren't intended, >>> doesn't mean that the URN standard should be changed to encompass those >>> uses. This _would_ degrade the utility of URNs. >>> >>> To be clear, there's nothing in principle wrong with a UUID URN. What's >>> wrong is using a UUID URN just because what you need is a unique >>> identifier that doesn't refer to a resource, and you want that unique ID >>> to be some sort of URI. Yes, it probably does little harm most of the >>> time, but it's still not a good idea to promote the practice. >>> ... >> >> "This specification does not limit the scope of what might be a >> resource; rather, the term "resource" is used in a general sense for >> whatever might be identified by a URI." -- >> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc3986.html#rfc.section.1.1> >> >> Case closed. > yes, but it didn't anticipate that URNs would be widely used to not name > resources at all. > > again, most such uses do little harm. but that's not an argument for > perverting URNs to be just > random numbers instead of resource identifiers. > ... My point being: they *are* resource identifiers. Best regards, Julian
- [urn] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-examp… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Andy Newton
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Michael Mealling
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Larry Masinter
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Larry Masinter
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Larry Masinter
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore