Re: [v6ops] AWS ipv6-only features

Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Mon, 29 November 2021 08:58 UTC

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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:58:12 +1100
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To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
Cc: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, IPv6 Ops WG <v6ops@ietf.org>, Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] AWS ipv6-only features
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So why do you bother with IPv6? You must have been perfectly happy with
IPv4 if you think there is nothing wrong with forcing end user devices to
be clients only.

https://blog.apnic.net/2016/10/26/trouble-nat-part-2/

On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 18:09 Gert Doering, <gert@space.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 03:15:52PM +0900, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> > With NPTv6, you can't tell a peer what address they can reach you at. So
> > applications like videoconferencing cannot work without a relay.
>
> That ship has sailed long ago.
>
> All this stuff works by registering some sort of identity at a central
> server, and that server will relay the session setup (and knows the
> member IPs).
>
> Nobody calls "an IP address".  So you need the registration/mapping service
> anyway.
>
> (And to find the central server, a magic service called "DNS" was invented)
>
> Gert Doering
>         -- NetMaster
> --
> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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