Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet
"Brian Rosen" <br@brianrosen.net> Sun, 19 April 2009 22:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet
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Uh, probably you skipped several steps. First of all, it's not clear that we're using WebEx's VoIP audio system. The test doesn't, right? That mute control stuff only works from the VoIP audio system I believe. Then, the room audio, if it's fed into any bridge, is going to need a pretty fancy echo cancellation box to deal with the room PA with multiple mics. The basic echo cancel you get from a conference bridge probably can't handle that. You also probably need a better automatic gain control than you get from the bridge. Then we're skating around the issue of who is running the WebEX UI, unmuting participants, .... We currently have two jobs that have a volunteer, plus chairs usually are running slides. I'm not sure we can round up yet another volunteer, and I'm not sure I want a chair doing more work. -----Original Message----- From: vmeet-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:vmeet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Doug Otis Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:38 PM To: Henning Schulzrinne Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net; vMeet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > There's probably a common set of minimal requirements: > > - Clients (remote participants) can be Windows 2000/XP/Vista, MacOS, > Linux. > > - Presenting systems can be some subset thereof (may not need Win2K, > for example). > > - Ability to render PowerPoint and PDF MUST, OpenOffice SHOULD. > > - For audio, allow VoIP and PSTN dial-in (800# is MAY). > > - Ability to mute remote participants (e.g., to deal with someone's > music-on-hold system) WebEx breaks this down to Host, Presenters, and Attendees. Attendees are muted by default, and Presenters control the display once control is passed to them by the Host or other Presenters. People located within the meeting room will not use of the Remote Meeting application as a means to listen. This would create an extreme annoyance when local participants are speaking due to even slight audio delays. Those in the room will likely listen to the output of the room's PA system which does not have noticeable delay. The audio from the PA system can be input into a Net-Box system deemed as an unmuted Presenter for remote participants to hear the audio. When it comes time to listen to external participants, they will need to be informed (perhaps by seeing they are not muted) AND at the same time, having the output of the Net-Box enabled as a feed into the PA system. Enabling the output of the Net-Box only when a remote participant is talking will allow the room to hear remote participants comments or questions. > - Audio recording > > Nice-to-have: > > - Audio MAY: speaker indication (who is talking) > > - Pass ability to "drive" slides to any participant. > > - Annotate slides in real time (highlighter, overlay text). > > - Text chat (already have Jabber chat rooms) > > - Hand raising to claim microphone spot ("floor control") Polling system to allow participation in Hums. Slide presentation Control. Tokens indicating who has control. -Doug _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Brian Rosen
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Doug Otis
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Thomas Narten
- [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Dave CROCKER
- [vmeet] Oops -- Re: Apr 23^H^H24 webex group expe… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] Oops -- Re: Apr 23^H^H24 webex group … John Buford
- Re: [vmeet] Oops -- Re: Apr 23^H^H24 webex group … Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] Oops -- Re: Apr 23^H^H24 webex group … joel jaeggli
- Re: [vmeet] Oops -- Re: Apr 23^H^H24 webex group … Eliot Lear
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment joel jaeggli
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Melinda Shore
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Russ Housley
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Peter Saint-Andre
- [vmeet] TOOL: Yuuguu - screen sharing and instant… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: Yuuguu - screen sharing and ins… Henning Schulzrinne
- [vmeet] TOOL: GoToMeeting Dave CROCKER
- [vmeet] TOOL: webex group experiment Dave CROCKER
- [vmeet] TOOL: Yugma Dave CROCKER
- [vmeet] TOOL: DimDim Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: DimDim Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: webex group experiment Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: GoToMeeting Simon Josefsson
- [vmeet] TOOL: Adobe Connect Dave CROCKER
- [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: DimDim joel jaeggli
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: Adobe Connect joel jaeggli
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: Adobe Connect Eliot Lear
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Russ Housley
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [vmeet] Apr 23: webex group experiment Dave CROCKER
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Doug Otis
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Simon Josefsson
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Brian Rosen
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Doug Otis
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Brian Rosen
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Doug Otis
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Brian Rosen
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Doug Otis
- Re: [vmeet] PLAN: Formulating a workplan for vMeet Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
- Re: [vmeet] TOOL: Adobe Connect Thomas Narten