Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 17 September 2021 02:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 04:47:56 +0200
Cc: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>, tools-discuss <tools-discuss@ietf.org>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
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> In doing so, you've now also characterised others' positions in a disparaging way and expressed cynicism about the IETF process. I understand you may be frustrated, but I don't think doing so is constructive. Mark, sometimes it is absolutely necessary to express how a discourse makes one feel. Yes, this discussion is frustrating and unlikely to lead anywhere good, and I have to choose my battles. I made my points, and I will shut up now. Grüße, Carsten
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Mark Nottingham
- Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Christian Huitema
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Michael Richardson
- RE: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Larry Masinter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Tero Kivinen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Christian Huitema
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- RE: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Qin Wu
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Carsten Bormann
- RE: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Qin Wu
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… tom petch
- Re: [irsg] [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Lloyd W
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Lloyd W
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … David Noveck
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is … Carsten Bormann