Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Thu, 16 September 2021 08:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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On 2021-09-16, at 10:31, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
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> We already have a large number of places that people need to look for data. Adding another is not optimal, especially when the purpose of the tool is collaborative editing, NOT long-term reference.

Sure.  I just don’t know how crippling notes.ietf.org will help with Google docs, hackmd.io, and all these other places.  Actually, it will drive people back to those.

Grüße, Carsten