Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 17-Sep-21 09:14, Henk Birkholz wrote:
> Minutes are not the only notes taken at notes.ietf.org. I would stop 
> using it, if things would simply disappear, obviously. How is this a 
> good idea?

Henk, I may well be old-fashioned, but when I want something to be kept,
I keep it: save it on my disk, and make sure it's in a directory that
gets backed up routinely.

Anybody who used geocities.com knows why.

(I'm biased on this question. In about 1993 I tried to persuade Tim
Berners-Lee to make an expiry date obligatory for every HTML page.
I still think he was wrong to refuse.)

It's also important to specify this from the start. We probably don't
want rough notes to become part of the public record of standards
activities, and subject to subpoena.

    Brian
> 
> 
> On 16.09.21 23:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 17-Sep-21 07:22, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>> Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>      >> On 16. Sep 2021, at 09:46, Mark Nottingham <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>      >>
>>>      >> Or, just automatically delete notes 30 days after creation.
>>>
>>>      > (Again, I don’t know whether this was a serious proposal.
>>   I’ll treat
>>>      > is as such for the purpose of this message.)
>>>
>>> Well, I'm serious.
>>> I think 30 days might be way too long.
>>>
>>> WG and design team leaders should know to download minutes at the end 
of the
>>> session.  It's not hard.
>>> But, in order to train that, the contents needs to disappear within the
>> day,
>>> and there will be some crying.   Some WG session minutes will go away.
>>
>> One day is too short; back in the good old days, when most of us suffered
>> jet lag after each meeting, a week to capture the minutes and copy-edit
>> them was hardly enough. But I do agree, this is a major duty of WG chairs
>> or secretaries, and needs to be done promptly.
>>
>> I wouldn't call it notes.ietf.org. I'd call it temp.ietf.org. Or at least,
>> put everything in notes.ietf.org/temp/ and move it to notes.ietf.org/recycle/
>> after 30 days and then to /dev/null after another 30 days. Something like
>> that, anyway, depending on how it would integrate with HedgeDoc.
>>
>>     Brian
>>>
>>>      > Collecting notes in our own service (as opposed to hackmd.io or Google
>>>      > docs) gives us more control.  Another benefit of having a common
>>>      > service is that, after a while, everybody knows how to use it and
>> we
>>>      > can integrate it into other tools.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>
>>