Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival

Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> Thu, 16 September 2021 21:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Content at notes.ietf.org is not archival
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>, tools-discuss <tools-discuss@ietf.org>
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Minutes are not the only notes taken at notes.ietf.org. I would stop 
using it, if things would simply disappear, obviously. How is this a 
good idea?


On 16.09.21 23:09, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 17-Sep-21 07:22, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>
>> Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>>      >> On 16. Sep 2021, at 09:46, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>>      >>
>>      >> Or, just automatically delete notes 30 days after creation.
>>
>>      > (Again, I don’t know whether this was a serious proposal.
>   I’ll treat
>>      > is as such for the purpose of this message.)
>>
>> Well, I'm serious.
>> I think 30 days might be way too long.
>>
>> WG and design team leaders should know to download minutes at the end of the
>> session.  It's not hard.
>> But, in order to train that, the contents needs to disappear within the
> day,
>> and there will be some crying.   Some WG session minutes will go away.
> 
> One day is too short; back in the good old days, when most of us suffered
> jet lag after each meeting, a week to capture the minutes and copy-edit
> them was hardly enough. But I do agree, this is a major duty of WG chairs
> or secretaries, and needs to be done promptly.
> 
> I wouldn't call it notes.ietf.org. I'd call it temp.ietf.org. Or at least,
> put everything in notes.ietf.org/temp/ and move it to notes.ietf.org/recycle/
> after 30 days and then to /dev/null after another 30 days. Something like
> that, anyway, depending on how it would integrate with HedgeDoc.
> 
>     Brian
>>
>>      > Collecting notes in our own service (as opposed to hackmd.io or Google
>>      > docs) gives us more control.  Another benefit of having a common
>>      > service is that, after a while, everybody knows how to use it and
> we
>>      > can integrate it into other tools.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>
>