Re: [irsg] Resending: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Mon, 26 October 2020 18:05 UTC

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:05:40 +0100
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Cc: David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com>, WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>, RFC Interest <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>
Subject: Re: [irsg] Resending: Page numbers in RFCs questions / preferences
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Carsten:

I would be fine if all the renderings with page numbers would be based on
the traditioanl txt format with i think 49 payload lines. If its
difficult to create native PDF with that constraint, then just
PDF'ize the classical text output.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 06:45:31PM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2020-10-26, at 16:04, David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Obviously, with canonical XML, there is no good solution to this problem: 
> > 
> > It's not clear what problem you are referring to.
> 
> The problem will become very evident once you get an RFP asking that your product implement the procedure on page 68 of RFC 9815.
> 
> You cannot really argue this based on whether people SHOULD be using section numbers etc.  This is a real downside in the real world.
> 
> Now whether that downside is overriding all the other upsides of having page numbers, can be a subject of discussion.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten

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