Re: Poll: RFCs with page numbers (pretty please) ?

["Andrew G. Malis" <[e-mail]>]

Flemming,

If you need a printable version with page numbers, that's provided by the
RFC Editor for every RFC, for example
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8905.pdf (to cite a recent example). If
you quickly need the last page number, just click in your browser or PDF
reader on the last entry in the TOC.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:01 PM Flemming Andreasen <fandreas=
[e-mail]> wrote:

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> On 10/26/20 5:14 PM, John Scudder wrote:
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> On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
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> As Julian Reschke observed on the rfc-interest list, since the
> new RFC format was implemented:
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> page numbers should not be used to refer to parts of the
> RFC, because page breaks vary with output formats
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> So I can only see confusion if people use page numbers for
> any purpose whatever. So it doesn't matter if people want
> page numbers; they're now useless. So I won't be answering
> a poll, and I don't think the results are interesting.
>
>
> The argument that page numbers are harmful as a way of referring to a
> section of the RFC is reasonable.
>
> The argument that page numbers are harmful for *any* *purpose* *whatever*
> is not reasonable. To offer one glaringly obvious counterexample, people
> (I, for one) sometimes print RFCs for the purpose of reading them.
> Sometimes we want to make use of some kind of facility for indexing from a
> list of headings to facilitate direct access to the right section of the
> pile of printout. A table of contents, in short. This is literally what
> tables of contents were invented for. They remain useful for this purpose…
> unless some bright spark chooses to remove the page numbers from them,
> because they forgot what tables of contents are FOR.
>
> +1
>
> Page numbers are also quite helpful to keep the pages in the right order
> after you have printed them, and in a ToC it helps giving you an idea of
> how much material is in each section.
>
> I confess that while most of my reading is on-line, I still buy physical
> books, use highlighters and occasionally print out an RFC either in part or
> in full. It sounds like I'm not the only one, and I have a hard time
> understanding why I am not allowed to get page numbers to help in that
> process.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Flemming
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> (Also, I think the use of the ToC for quickly estimating a document’s
> throw weight is a valid one. I previously suggested associating a BogoPages
> metric with each non paginated RFC for this purpose.)
>
> —John
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