Re: problem with recent drafts on tools.ietf.org? {35440727}

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: problem with recent drafts on tools.ietf.org? {35440727}
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It seems to me this is a bit of ‘administrative debt’ – as no one ever seems to have clearly established to whom tools servers were donated, who had access/control to the servers, who owned the code itself, who was in charge of making sure each tool continued to work, etc. This certainly all pre-dates the creation of the LLC by many years, especially given some of these tools seem to have stopped working many years ago.

Jason


On 3/4/21, 2:12 PM, "Stewart Bryant" <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:



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    > On 4 Mar 2021, at 17:50, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > Bernard,
    >
    >> On Mar 3, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> Lou --
    >>
    >> Agree that this is troubling. SDOs often reference specification versions on the tools.ietf.org, and I regularly use the tools there to do tasks relating to IETF draft submission.  So if at all possible, we should try to maintain the site in operation.
    >
    > I agree, most time I do a search for a draft a link to the tool.ietf.org comes up first.  I think it is a big IETF operational problem now that the site has stopped working as expected.
    >
    > It’s unfortunate that the LLC didn’t think this through when they did the things that caused Henrik to step away.
    >
    > Bob
    >

    +1