Re: [Asrg] draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-07 [re-send]

["Chris Lewis" <[e-mail]>]

On 3/1/2011 10:21 AM, Neil Schwartzman wrote:
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> On Feb 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
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>> please list me as being in favor of this draft.
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> <aol>  +1, and agreed. Heck, I may have even been the person to suggest this clause,

Nope, you can't take credit for that.  It was in the original drafts in 
2003, it and a clause on symmetry in listing/delisting were considered 
highly problemmatic (for much the same political and/or theoretical 
reasons we've seen here) during work on the document at MAAWG in 2004/5 
or thereabouts, but Nick (scribe at the time) managed to save the latter 
clause by rewriting it in its current form.

The reason for its reappearance is manyfold.  First and foremost is that 
I'm continually reminded, through experience/exposure with all portions 
of this industry, that it's _necessary_.  It just kept rearing its ugly 
head.

Secondly, experiences with a couple of documents at MAAWG have 
demonstrated the importance of ignoring the politics and drawing the 
line in the sand clearly and where it needs to be - remembering it's 
still drawn in sand.  If circumstances/events prove it needs to be 
redrawn in a slightly different place, well, that can be fixed.

My grandfather went surprisingly far for someone who had only gotten an 
eighth grade education.  Some of the things he always told me was:

- The only thing worse than making the wrong decision, was not making 
one at all.
- If you can manage to get it right more than 50% of the time, you were 
gold.
- If you were not right, be the first to admit it, fix it, and move on.

Surprisingly applicable even in software development - part of the 
reason I'm able to get away with stuff at $ork nobody else was ;-)
Applicable to BCPs and whitepapers too ;-)