RE: [Asrg] seeking comments on new RMX article

Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com> Wed, 07 May 2003 01:44 UTC

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Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:43:57 -0400

I use a local STMP server to send mail. I travel a lot and use a cell phone 
on the road. The cell phone provider doesn't provide me with a stable SMTP 
server, so I use a local one (called PostCastServer) to send my email 
directly to the recipients'  SMTP servers. My Internet provider at home 
doesn't provide any email servers either, so I am kind of stuck. In a 
RMX/rDNS world, would I have to pay to subscribe to a RMX-enabled SMTP 
server instead of using my current setup?

At 06:37 PM 5/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

> > From: "Bob Atkinson" <bobatk@exchange.microsoft.com>
>
> > > Another common case involves people traveling.  If you plug your
> > laptop
> > > into the network of a hotel or one of your consulting clients, you
> > > might prefer to use an envelope and From header address at your home
> > > systems instead of room1234@losangeles.merriot.com or
> > guest@example.com.
> >
> > I'd like to understand this scenario better, as at present I am
> > confused.
> >
> > Among my confused thoughts are the following questions: What were the
> > steps that led to a mail address and mail server in my hotel room? Which
> > part of the hotel's policy forced me into that? Does any hotel actually
> > do this? In your understanding, which SMTP server is the STMP client on
> > my laptop talking to in order to send it's mail?
> >
> > I would have expected instead that having got IP connectivity, my mail
> > reader on my laptop would have connected back to my normal home (e.g.:
> > pop3.mycompany.com/smtp.mycompany.com) and then sent and received mail
> > through there as usual, resulting in the normal From headers, etc.
>
>POP3 is fine for fetching accumulated mail from your mailbox
>mycompany.com.  How do you send mail?
>
>Now that I think about it, I realize I'm thinking of such as running
>sendmail/UNIX on the laptop to send mail.  My preconceptions run that
>way, while others tend to think of personal computers as dumb terminals
>connected to a BBS and using IP instead of x-term or some other
>specialized protocol largely out of inertia and marketing.
>
>
>Vernon Schryver    vjs@rhyolite.com
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