Re: [Autoconf] new charter

"Stan Ratliff (sratliff)" <sratliff@cisco.com> Fri, 27 February 2009 20:12 UTC

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Buddenberg [mailto:budden@nps.navy.mil] 
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:44 PM
> To: Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
> Cc: Alexandru Petrescu; autoconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Autoconf] new charter
> 
> Stan,
> 
> The difference is not geo footprint (you got that right).  
> Rather the difference is between LAN (at fringe of network) 
> and WAN (in the interior).  A WAN will always be at least one 
> router away from end systems. 


Rex, 

Absolutely agree with you. I understood the issue to be the former instead of the latter. 

Regards,
Stan 


> 
> While we're at it, references to SSIDs is not proper -- 
> that's 802.11-specific. 
> 
> Stan Ratliff (sratliff) wrote:
> >  
> >
> >   
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:31 PM
> >> To: Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
> >> Cc: Alexandru Petrescu; Teco Boot; autoconf@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Autoconf] new charter
> >>
> >> Stan Ratliff (sratliff) a écrit :
> >>     
> >>>> Well I agree the physical laws are so.  But I disagree to
> >>>>         
> >> have 25km
> >>     
> >>>> MANETs in the Charter.  I agree with "25m IPv6 subnets",
> >>>>         
> >> if they were
> >>     
> >>>> explicitely stated so in the charter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>> And I'll have to disagree with the "25m subnets". I 
> regularly deal 
> >>> with line-of-sight radio links that are in excess of 
> 25km. We can't 
> >>> limit ourselves to short-range technologies (e.g.
> >>>       
> >> Commercial 802.11,
> >>     
> >>> Bluetooth, Zigbee, etc). I don't believe a distance should be 
> >>> explicitly stated in the charter, rather, some verbiage 
> that talks 
> >>> about "radio neighbors in range" should be sufficient.
> >>>       
> >> I wouldn't disagree with a Charter mentioning we deal with 
> 25m IPv6 
> >> subnets and with 30.000km IPv6 subnets, and here are the two 
> >> practical methods to put addresses on these nodes.
> >>
> >> But I would disagree with a Charter saying we deal with 
> all wireless 
> >> links ranging from personal area to sattellite and everything in 
> >> between
> >>   and the generic addressing model is the following...
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> > Hmmm, that's a problem. Because I don't see a difference in 
> a 3m subnet using Bluetooth, and a 35,000km "subnet" using a 
> satellite with IP routing on board. I think the charter needs 
> to solve the problem for both of those, because I believe the 
> distance of the link shouldn't be a factor. 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stan
> >
> >
> >   
> >>     
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> --
> Rex Buddenberg
> Senior Lecturer
> Naval Postgraduate School
> Monterey, Ca 93943
> 831/656-3576
> 
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