Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for the IETF Codec
Jean-Marc Valin <jmvalin@jmvalin.ca> Tue, 19 April 2011 02:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for the IETF Codec
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Hi Anisse, On 11-04-18 09:54 PM, Anisse Taleb wrote: > The WG would have failed its goals if the outcome of this activity is > to publish an encumbered codec that has a quality which is inferior > to current state of the art codecs. At an equal encumbrance level, > quality is the deciding factor. The goal is still for unencumbered with better quality than existing unencumbered codecs. If, at the time we decide on whether to publish this codec, I feel like it is not safe to implement without paying royalties, I can assure you that I will personally vote/hum/whatever against. Cheers, Jean-Marc > Kind regards, /Anisse >> -----Original Message----- From: codec-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, >> April 18, 2011 4:12 PM To: codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] >> draft test and processing plan for the IETF Codec >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:32:23AM -0400, Stephen Botzko wrote: >>> if we see a result that concerns us, we can follow up. Perhaps >>> the test plan should say this explicitly, or perhaps we can just >>> agree to discuss needed follow-ups when we see the results. >> >> I believe that is exactly the solution that is being explored in >> the <4DA7B88F.80002@jmvalin.ca> subthread, which begins: >> >> I gave some more thought on your proposed test plan and as Cullen >> suggested, I think the main cause of disagreement is not that much >> on the testing, but on the conditions for publishing (large number >> of BT, NWT). Considering that ultimately, the decision to publish a >> spec is always based on WG consensus, then I think that problem can >> be completely bypassed. Once we make it up to the individuals to >> decide, then we can focus on "simply" designing a good test. >> >> So let's get started on the tests that people individually think >> are important so that we have their results to consider by the time >> we think we have enough information to decide. >> >> Do you see anything wrong with that solution? It looks about as >> fair and thorough as we can make it to everyone to me. >> >> Cheers, Ron >> >> >> _______________________________________________ codec mailing list >> codec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > _______________________________________________ codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > >
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- Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for th… Anisse Taleb
- Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for th… Anisse Taleb
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- Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for th… Anisse Taleb
- Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for th… Anisse Taleb
- Re: [codec] draft test and processing plan for th… Anisse Taleb
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