Re: [dmarc-ietf] is DMARC informational?

"Kurt Andersen (b)" <kboth@drkurt.com> Fri, 04 December 2020 23:00 UTC

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 15:00:18 -0800
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] is DMARC informational?
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:51 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:

>
> What changed in the bis version to change its intended status?
>

The entire point of this working group (and the bis version that is in
progress) is to move DMARC into the fully-recognized "standards" track.
Note that even the current email specs are not "standards" in IETF parlance
(there's another WG addressing that). It's mostly organizational semantic
slicing-and-dicing.

--Kurt