Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

"John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Tue, 02 August 2022 20:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld
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> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 07:11:38PM +0000, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>> 
>> recommends that the ICANN board to pick a string that will never be put 
>> into the DNS root, and thus is usable for systems like GNS.
>
> This was, of course, the whole point of the .alt draft in the first place, at 
> least when I was involved in preparing it.

Indeed.  If you look at SAC113 and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld, you'll see a 
lot of the same names.

>  I don't think any of us involved then cared whether it was alt or one 
> of thousands of other strings that it could have been.

The leadning candidates were .ALT or one of the ISO 3166 User-assigned 
codes like .QZ, but I agree that picking one is more important than which 
one gets picked.

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