Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Tue, 02 August 2022 19:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld
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Disclaimer: I work for the Internet Society but I am not speaking for them. On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 07:11:38PM +0000, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >recommends that the ICANN board to pick a string that will never be put into the DNS root, and thus is usable for systems like GNS. This was, of course, the whole point of the .alt draft in the first place, at least when I was involved in preparing it. I don't think any of us involved then cared whether it was alt or one of thousands of other strings that it could have been. The main point was to come up with something that would not pad total length too much and that could be a clear "protocol switch". The registration in the IANA sutld registry was suppossed to ensure the same outcome as what is going through SSAC, but it makes no difference to me what the characters are. Note that because of the old-timey restriction, I suspect the characters must all be alphabetic, though perhaps that rule has been superseded by IDNA. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt… Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Martin Schanzenbach
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Martin Schanzenbach
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Vladimír Čunát
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Martin Schanzenbach
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Vladimír Čunát
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Geoff Huston
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… John R. Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Martin Schanzenbach
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ie… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Martin Schanzenbach
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Christian Huitema
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Christian Huitema
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Christian Huitema
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Vladimír Čunát
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draf… Christian Huitema
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and namespace mech… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and namespace mech… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and namespace mech… Schanzenbach, Martin
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns… Harald Alvestrand