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Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> Tue, 02 August 2022 15:01 UTC

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From: Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net>
To: "Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
CC: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>, "dnsop@ietf.org" <dnsop@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld
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> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:15 am, Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02.08.22 10:35, Joe Abley wrote:
>> 
>>> Had I wanted to do so, I would not have approached dnsop in the first place.
>> Had you wanted to which? I'm confused.
> 
> I came to this group because of concerns that Warren raised, and because the draft sits before me.  I have reviewed what discussion I could find in the logs relating to Warren's draft, which amounts to either (a) this is ICANN's problem or (b) there is nobody willing to make use of the space.  Please feel free to inform me if I have missed something.
> 
> Regarding (a), that is not my interpretation of RFC 6761.  RFC 6761 drops special use domains firmly in the lap of the IETF, which is presumably why Warren brought his draft here and why I came here and didn't go to ICANN.  Regarding (b), we have someone here willing to at least have the conversation.

ICANN was not created out of thin air. It was created in part as an admission by the IETF at the time that the dimensions of the discussions relating to name spaces, alternate roots, name space expansion and such was far broader than the IETF at the time and the discussions on this topics necessitated a host and a community that was not isomorphic to the IETF. 

Regarding your interpretation of RFC6761 and your conclusion, as ISE, that this is not matter for ICANN, I respectfully disagree with the ISE here, and I believe that such matters are well beyond the more limited scope and remit of the IETF and the considerations of some 20 years ago in this space remain relevant today.

   Geoff

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