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Re: [Gendispatch] Updating the IETF Discussion List Charter (was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02.txt)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Sun, 26 June 2022 22:09 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 15:08:40 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Updating the IETF Discussion List Charter (was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02.txt)
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On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:58 PM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
wrote:

> On 6/26/22 17:53, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>
> When a discussion is looping, and nothing new is being said, clearly
>> it's time to pause.
>>
>
> I don't think I've seen anything new said on this topic in the past decade.
>
> Can you give me an example of what you would consider new?
>
> Conditions have changed, and I think attitudes have also changed.
> There's a greater realization now that we've really lost something that we
> used to have in the IETF list.   And slight differences in proposals can
> make a significant difference in the outcome.   Just because something has
> been discussed in the distant past doesn't mean it should never be
> discussed again.
>
This is of course not my position.

However, what I see in this thread is essentially the same positions--and
from the same people--as have been being repeated for some time.

With that said, as the objective of my mail was to reduce the amount of
time wasted by fruitless discussion, and this meta-discussion is also
clearly not going anywhere, I'll take my own advice now and bow out.

-Ekr

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