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Re: [Gendispatch] Updating the IETF Discussion List Charter (was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02.txt)

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Fri, 24 June 2022 19:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Updating the IETF Discussion List Charter (was: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02.txt)
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On 6/24/22 15:10, Rob Sayre wrote:

> I agree that it is a reasonable topic, but I question whether "the 
> most general IETF list" is the right place for it.

The same argument could be made for any topic discussed on the IETF 
list.   How many lists should IETF participants have to follow in order 
to participate in community discussions?    Is there an explicit goal of 
discouraging input from  generalists, or is that a completely accidental 
effect?  (Hint: it's no longer accidental once you're aware of it.)

This is the exact opposite of inclusion.  It's overt discrimination.


> The IETF list often ratholes on meeting planning issues (and related 
> politics). People actually get paid to think about the problem. There 
> are event planners and insurance policies, etc.
>
Yes, and if those people operate without community input, they will make 
poor decisions.   And completely aside from meeting planning issues, 
individual participants need to be able to make informed decisions about 
whether to attend.

Keith

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