Re: [ietf-822] don't need a permission to re-sign header

Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Tue, 22 April 2014 22:20 UTC

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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:13:15 -0700
From: Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-822] don't need a permission to re-sign header
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> > I know people think I'm wrong, but I think it needs to be looked at a
> > different way. As a recipient, I don't want 'proof' that this message
> > came from Alessandro, I want 'proof' that it came from the
> > ietf-822@ietf.org mailing list.

> I think you're right.

I concur as well.

> I've said for years that lists should sign
> their mail with their own DKIM keys, and recipients should look at
> those list signatures to filter the mail.

I'm not even sure that's necessary, but of course it can't hurt. Indeed, right
now, with the exception of IETF lists, having a signature makes the odds it's
spam more, not less, likely.

> None of the theories about why you would care about preserving
> incoming signatures have ever impressed me as having any relationship
> at all to the ways people actually use mailing lists.  It's either a
> vague "more secure", or a passive aggressive list manager who is
> skilled enough to jump through hoops to preserve the signatures but
> too much of a doofus to keep junk out of the list.

Nicely put and I agree.

				Ned