Re: [Ietf-languages] Language subtag registration form

[Phake Nick <[e-mail]>]

Hello, do you know where can preliminatory information of that upcoming ISO
21636 standard be accessed so that we can know what's its scope and what it
cover?

在 2020年11月25日週三 10:46，Sebastian Drude <[e-mail]> 寫道：

> Thanks, Ben.
>
> I imagined that the author himself characterized this variety as
> sociolect -- he may have had a different conception of what sociolects
> are, of of what kinds of varieties exist.  I just pointed out that if we
> want to be coherent with the upcoming framework for linguistic variation
> that we in ISO are preparing (and I would suggest we should), this would
> probably rather be a register (as you state in point (4)).
>
> This is certainly no major issue or even hindrance for the excellent
> proposal you presented.
>
> Best,
>
> Sebastian
>
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> On 24/11/2020 22:26, Ben Scarborough wrote:
> > Sebastian,
> >
> > Thank you for the feedback. I have no personal attachment to the word
> > "sociolect," but Halvelik referred to his three works (Arcaicam
> > Esperantom, Popido, and Gavaro) as La Sociolekta Triopo, or the
> > Sociolect Triad. The word is thus already associated with Arcaicam
> > Esperantom even if it wouldn't be considered accurate usage.
> >
> > I will gladly amend my form if the opinion is that "sociolect" is not
> > a suitable term to use here.
> >
> > —Ben Scarborough
> >
> >
> > On 2020-11-24 23:37, Sebastian Drude wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> this is the first time I reply directly to such a request, please
> >> forgive me if I do mistakes or do not know the correct procedures.
> >>
> >> I agree with the proposal; it makes sense to me to have a subtag for
> >> this variety of Esperanto.
> >>
> >> I only do not agree with the characterization as a "Sociolect" -- a
> >> variety of a language which is characteristic for a certain (social)
> >> group within the whole speaker community.  As the applicant explains,
> >> the same speakers/writers may use it in the same text, so this is
> >> (according to the upcoming ISO TC 21636) clearly some kind of
> >> *register*, not a sociolect.
> >>
> >> Which brings us back to the question of how in the future the 8
> >> dimensions identified in ISO TC 21636 can be reflected/applied in the
> >> current frameworks, in particular BCP 47).  Are there members of this
> >> group who would like to participate with me in a working group that
> >> would work out proposals for that?
> >>
> >> (Now I see that in point (4) of the proporal 'Arcaicam Esperantom' is
> >> also correctly identified as such, so the characterization as sociolect
> >> in (3) is probably a mistake or misunderstanding.)
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Museu P.E. Goeldi, CCH, Linguistica ▪ Av. Perimetral, 1901
> >> Terra Firme, CEP: 66077-530 ▪ Belém do Pará – PA ▪ Brazil
> >> [e-mail] ▪ [phone] ▪ [phone]
> >> Priv: Tv. Juvenal Cordeiro, 184, Apt 104 ▪ 66070-300 Belém
> >>
> >> On 23/11/2020 19:15, Ben Scarborough wrote:
> >>> LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >>> 1. Name of requester: Ben Scarborough
> >>> 2. E-mail address of requester: scarboroughben[at]gmail.com
> >>> 3. Record Requested:
> >>>
> >>>      Type: variant
> >>>      Subtag: arcaicam
> >>>      Description: Arcaicam Esperantom
> >>>      Prefix: eo
> >>>      Preferred-Value:
> >>>      Deprecated:
> >>>      Suppress-Script:
> >>>      Macrolanguage:
> >>>      Comments: "Archaic" Esperanto sociolect defined by Manuel Halvelik
> >>>
> >>> 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >>>      Arcaicam Esperantom (Arkaika Esperanto) is a modern-made
> "archaic" register
> >>>      of Esperanto, meant to be the literary equivalent of lines or
> phrases in an
> >>>      old language such as Latin or Middle English embedded in what
> would otherwise
> >>>      be modern text. It features minor but nontrivial changes to
> vocabulary,
> >>>      grammar, and spelling. It is not meant as an overhaul of nor as a
> >>>      replacement for Esperanto.
> >>>
> >>> 5. Reference to published description
> >>>      of the language (book or article):
> >>>      Halvelik, Manuel. "Arkaika Esperanto: La verda pralingvo." 2010
> edition.
> >>>
> http://www.universala-esperanto.net/index_htm_files/Arkaika%20Esperanto.pdf
> >>>
> >>> 6. Any other relevant information:
> >>>      Because Arcaicam Esperantom uses different orthographic rules,
> the existing
> >>>      'hsistemo' and 'xsistemo' subtags would not have any relevant
> meaning in
> >>>      conjunction with the proposed 'arcaicam' subtag.
> >>>
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