Re: [Ietf-languages] Language subtag registration form

[Phake Nick <[e-mail]>]

Ah nevermind I have found it in another email in the mailing list. Sorry
for bothering.

在 2020年11月25日週三 20:59，Phake Nick <[e-mail]> 寫道：

> Hello, do you know where can preliminatory information of that upcoming
> ISO 21636 standard be accessed so that we can know what's its scope and
> what it cover?
>
> 在 2020年11月25日週三 10:46，Sebastian Drude <[e-mail]> 寫道：
>
>> Thanks, Ben.
>>
>> I imagined that the author himself characterized this variety as
>> sociolect -- he may have had a different conception of what sociolects
>> are, of of what kinds of varieties exist.  I just pointed out that if we
>> want to be coherent with the upcoming framework for linguistic variation
>> that we in ISO are preparing (and I would suggest we should), this would
>> probably rather be a register (as you state in point (4)).
>>
>> This is certainly no major issue or even hindrance for the excellent
>> proposal you presented.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
>> On 24/11/2020 22:26, Ben Scarborough wrote:
>> > Sebastian,
>> >
>> > Thank you for the feedback. I have no personal attachment to the word
>> > "sociolect," but Halvelik referred to his three works (Arcaicam
>> > Esperantom, Popido, and Gavaro) as La Sociolekta Triopo, or the
>> > Sociolect Triad. The word is thus already associated with Arcaicam
>> > Esperantom even if it wouldn't be considered accurate usage.
>> >
>> > I will gladly amend my form if the opinion is that "sociolect" is not
>> > a suitable term to use here.
>> >
>> > —Ben Scarborough
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2020-11-24 23:37, Sebastian Drude wrote:
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >> this is the first time I reply directly to such a request, please
>> >> forgive me if I do mistakes or do not know the correct procedures.
>> >>
>> >> I agree with the proposal; it makes sense to me to have a subtag for
>> >> this variety of Esperanto.
>> >>
>> >> I only do not agree with the characterization as a "Sociolect" -- a
>> >> variety of a language which is characteristic for a certain (social)
>> >> group within the whole speaker community.  As the applicant explains,
>> >> the same speakers/writers may use it in the same text, so this is
>> >> (according to the upcoming ISO TC 21636) clearly some kind of
>> >> *register*, not a sociolect.
>> >>
>> >> Which brings us back to the question of how in the future the 8
>> >> dimensions identified in ISO TC 21636 can be reflected/applied in the
>> >> current frameworks, in particular BCP 47).  Are there members of this
>> >> group who would like to participate with me in a working group that
>> >> would work out proposals for that?
>> >>
>> >> (Now I see that in point (4) of the proporal 'Arcaicam Esperantom' is
>> >> also correctly identified as such, so the characterization as sociolect
>> >> in (3) is probably a mistake or misunderstanding.)
>> >>
>> >> Best wishes,
>> >>
>> >> Sebastian
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Museu P.E. Goeldi, CCH, Linguistica ▪ Av. Perimetral, 1901
>> >> Terra Firme, CEP: 66077-530 ▪ Belém do Pará – PA ▪ Brazil
>> >> [e-mail] ▪ [phone] ▪ [phone]
>> >> Priv: Tv. Juvenal Cordeiro, 184, Apt 104 ▪ 66070-300 Belém
>> >>
>> >> On 23/11/2020 19:15, Ben Scarborough wrote:
>> >>> LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
>> >>> 1. Name of requester: Ben Scarborough
>> >>> 2. E-mail address of requester: scarboroughben[at]gmail.com
>> >>> 3. Record Requested:
>> >>>
>> >>>      Type: variant
>> >>>      Subtag: arcaicam
>> >>>      Description: Arcaicam Esperantom
>> >>>      Prefix: eo
>> >>>      Preferred-Value:
>> >>>      Deprecated:
>> >>>      Suppress-Script:
>> >>>      Macrolanguage:
>> >>>      Comments: "Archaic" Esperanto sociolect defined by Manuel
>> Halvelik
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
>> >>>      Arcaicam Esperantom (Arkaika Esperanto) is a modern-made
>> "archaic" register
>> >>>      of Esperanto, meant to be the literary equivalent of lines or
>> phrases in an
>> >>>      old language such as Latin or Middle English embedded in what
>> would otherwise
>> >>>      be modern text. It features minor but nontrivial changes to
>> vocabulary,
>> >>>      grammar, and spelling. It is not meant as an overhaul of nor as a
>> >>>      replacement for Esperanto.
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. Reference to published description
>> >>>      of the language (book or article):
>> >>>      Halvelik, Manuel. "Arkaika Esperanto: La verda pralingvo." 2010
>> edition.
>> >>>
>> http://www.universala-esperanto.net/index_htm_files/Arkaika%20Esperanto.pdf
>> >>>
>> >>> 6. Any other relevant information:
>> >>>      Because Arcaicam Esperantom uses different orthographic rules,
>> the existing
>> >>>      'hsistemo' and 'xsistemo' subtags would not have any relevant
>> meaning in
>> >>>      conjunction with the proposed 'arcaicam' subtag.
>> >>>
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