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Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Fri, 05 July 2019 15:52 UTC

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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:52:22 +0200
Subject: Tolerance
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I am concerned about the heavy handedness Michael StJohns received from the sergeant at arms and the IETF leadership. To me this feels like bullying and I would not have liked this to happen to me. This behavior by the leadership scares me away, the exact opposite of what is said to be intended. 

If we want diversity and tolerance, is it not exactly messages of criticism and challenges of power structures and the established truths we should be accepting of?

I at least are often more comfortable dealing with machines than humans. I am not very great at expressing myself and winning others over, and when nervous, not rarely saying the complete wrong thing.

If the requirements for participating here is going to be so high that understanding the finer nuances of the usage of stupidity is required unless one is called unprofessional, then I as a non-native English speaker is reluctant to participate. Certainly these sets of threads, portraying to make the IETF more accessible has done more to make me avoid voicing my opinion on the IETF mailing list than anything I have read here over the last 20 years. 

Play the ball not the man. 

Ole

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