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Re: Tolerance

Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> Thu, 11 July 2019 16:27 UTC

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On 7/5/2019 8:21 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> Hi Ole,
>
> Thanks for your feedback. I apologize if my message on July 2 scares 
> you away from voicing your opinion.
>
> Regards,
> Alissa


Without too much comment, I wanted to point at two items that the I*  
and community may want to consider going forward: 
https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/when-silence-spells-trouble-at-work and a 
wiki page that references it: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_dissent especially the 
discussion under 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_dissent#Whistle-blowing

"Unprofessional"  (RFC3005's "Unprofessional commentary") has a lot of 
meanings, and Webster has it as "**not exhibiting a courteous, 
conscientious, or generally businesslike manner in the workplace", but 
at times there will be a conflict between what's perceived as 
"courteous" and what's "conscientious".

Mike


>
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org 
>> <mailto:otroan@employees.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I am concerned about the heavy handedness Michael StJohns received 
>> from the sergeant at arms and the IETF leadership. To me this feels 
>> like bullying and I would not have liked this to happen to me. This 
>> behavior by the leadership scares me away, the exact opposite of what 
>> is said to be intended.
>>
>> If we want diversity and tolerance, is it not exactly messages of 
>> criticism and challenges of power structures and the established 
>> truths we should be accepting of?
>>
>> I at least are often more comfortable dealing with machines than 
>> humans. I am not very great at expressing myself and winning others 
>> over, and when nervous, not rarely saying the complete wrong thing.
>>
>> If the requirements for participating here is going to be so high 
>> that understanding the finer nuances of the usage of stupidity is 
>> required unless one is called unprofessional, then I as a non-native 
>> English speaker is reluctant to participate. Certainly these sets of 
>> threads, portraying to make the IETF more accessible has done more to 
>> make me avoid voicing my opinion on the IETF mailing list than 
>> anything I have read here over the last 20 years.
>>
>> Play the ball not the man.
>>
>> Ole
>>
>

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