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Re: Tolerance

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Wed, 17 July 2019 13:04 UTC

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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:03:01 -0700
To: Jacob Hoffman-Andrews <jsha@eff.org>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: Tolerance
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Hi Jacob, Keith, Brian,
At 12:39 PM 16-07-2019, Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote:
>Several months ago a draft was posted to a WG I don't normally 
>contribute to. I had relevant deployment experience, and also wanted 
>to ask questions to better understand the topic. However, the first 
>post was one WG regular telling the author "You are insane to 
>propose <technical thing>."

At 01:57 PM 16-07-2019, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>Clearly that was out of order and IMHO the WG chairs should have said so.
>But (having started professional life among physicists) I don't think
>it can be called unusual. As a matter of curiosity, I just ran a search
>on my personal email archives and found 174 occurences of the word "insane"
>going back to 1995.

I took a quick look at some Working Group mailing lists.  On one of 
them, there was an email between an IETF participant from an 
English-speaking country and another IETF participant from a 
non-English-speaking country.  In that email there is a comment 
similar to what is described in the first extract which is quoted above.

What happened in the past (re. Brian's comment) may be useful to 
understand the traditions of the IETF.  The email which I mentioned 
was sent last year and the Working Group Chairs were silent about 
what was said in it.

The following sentence is from a RFC: "The IETF strives, through 
these guidelines for conduct, to create and maintain an environment 
in which every person is treated with dignity, decency, and 
respect".  Should the sentence be removed from the RFC?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

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