Re: Tolerance
"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Tue, 16 July 2019 21:21 UTC
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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:20:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: Tolerance
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: Jacob Hoffman-Andrews <jsha@eff.org>, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
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My personal rule of thumb is that life in tech means putting up with a bit of hyperbole every now and then. :-) But that's really not unique to tech - just look at question time in Parliament! When someone says or writes something to me like "your proposal is idiotic because ... " or "you're an idiot to propose that because ... ", I just ignore the first part of the sentence and try to parse out the actual technical point being made. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 4:58 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > On 17-Jul-19 07:39, Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: > .... > > However, the first post > > was one WG regular telling the author "You are insane to propose > > <technical thing>." > > Clearly that was out of order and IMHO the WG chairs should have said so. > But (having started professional life among physicists) I don't think > it can be called unusual. As a matter of curiosity, I just ran a search > on my personal email archives and found 174 occurences of the word "insane" > going back to 1995. > > The first one of all reads: > > > It could be that the > > 4 bits may be better devoted to making the flow id be a full > > 32 bits. > > > > I think Brian's words of > > SHOULD and MAY are important and a good idea too. > > > > Frankly, this is positively insane. Either IPv6 is a variation > > of IPv4, and shares the same ethernet type, with demux early > > in the IP processing, or its new, and is demuxed at the ethernet > > (and other) layers. Having it both ways is just idiocy. > > So X is telling Y that Brian's idea is insane and idiotic, as far as > I can see. But IPv6 ended up with both its own Ethertype and an IP version > number field. > > The point is that this wasn't offensive, because it was directed at > the technical proposal, not at the proposer. I think that's what people > should bear in mind. > > Brian > >
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