Re: Tolerance
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 17 July 2019 13:12 UTC
Return-Path: <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535A912038A for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TAqZ4Sq_b0lH for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3D3812022B for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2464221B2A; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:12:19 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:12:19 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=fB70O5Ot/5VyWEuxd43hz9Ye9ZU5eBqfkaR4maVxp ro=; b=el7GLScK5AE34yGOd7kocDZCTNEUopypOar8XPagPl+T/8svMvgaVtMbL 1Zgq8xL66w2OvBHNrvIGMdyngNzRr4F6VyetS+k8zQ0OwjsnsqCeit2pXf0H5igJ I05sn1DtvkZ/1+33ge3wmAdksKQUkXWJ991CFJvRd08yjicbOegy7OLHNvg9kOYb gsWlnKUp00QmUqcbCOFkHrrNdZSmmfWmebq8W2IP4ZvVI8p3/aXVpGKj0RaJxMtk QGXO1TgBa6qRzJ2e3wt7/M9HpiHGoobxllIxoqND0fTVtdu1sP9XOuqrTp51rV2d qZrVHHaT9GF0SKqiGRD4p8qSnkD4Q==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:sR4vXYmNYg6NPtgA3UJPqFW4YxQ98v7Wlvx_pXDPCG4OKDZ7FQc40g>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrieefgdefkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthekre dttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepmfgvihhthhcuofhoohhrvgcuoehmohhorhgvsehnvghtfiho rhhkqdhhvghrvghtihgtshdrtghomheqnecukfhppedutdekrddvvddurddukedtrdduhe enucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhoohhrvgesnhgvthifohhrkhdqhhgvrhgv thhitghsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:sR4vXSvB0B9D1vv6RUy1xaU6Yc8E65-VV1udJqaPUhOeut0yw62ZDg> <xmx:sR4vXXnBGuWESXAm2TQlR-BhMsvaNwKTR8xgXjAqPZZo2v05WLfquw> <xmx:sR4vXbl0mdro1nAMkiz75NU6BVSwK6fZbGQKcLtBvqu9uauZkYFq1w> <xmx:sx4vXYRw6fDbzco47_hC0VTusz48aihwhBVK388WbRIvHkZBN7Nhqg>
Received: from [192.168.1.66] (108-221-180-15.lightspeed.knvltn.sbcglobal.net [108.221.180.15]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 648D880059; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:12:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Tolerance
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <6EB5A0D4-DC17-40A8-B144-DC28F81C576A@employees.org> <A6135702-2156-48F1-A5D3-5F5EAE1B12B3@cooperw.in> <e24cae63-1a9b-7160-73cc-77c29e479eed@comcast.net> <9447eb2b-fd9f-4fa7-8e07-0bc0ad118292@gmail.com> <560a8a2b-3ece-4db9-4bf8-f16acbdc27a4@comcast.net> <ac5eec46-85d9-835a-fc53-02bb97fd25ab@gmail.com> <3b5c74d6-e219-512d-1c02-c7c66ca2573e@eff.org> <52052311-c9ed-7bbb-7f7e-edc1b0119075@network-heretics.com> <dcd35f0b-2388-ffbe-2feb-7bb6268e3cf5@eff.org> <6.2.5.6.2.20190717035032.12d01950@elandnews.com>
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Message-ID: <5336ffcc-4f81-9240-7984-dedadaeed0bc@network-heretics.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:12:16 -0400
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20190717035032.12d01950@elandnews.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/wY51du43mRWsAiRuodlv_aM4l8E>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:12:21 -0000
On 7/17/19 9:03 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: > The following sentence is from a RFC: "The IETF strives, through these > guidelines for conduct, to create and maintain an environment in which > every person is treated with dignity, decency, and respect". Should > the sentence be removed from the RFC? IMO, the RFC text should reflect the consensus of the community about what it strives to do, even if in reality it falls short of that ideal. (If we didn't care at all, we wouldn't be having this conversation about how to strike a balance between competing concerns - all of which are about suppression of input.) Keith
- Tolerance Ole Troan
- Re: Tolerance Eliot Lear
- Re: Tolerance Alissa Cooper
- Re: Tolerance lloyd.wood
- Re: Tolerance Michael StJohns
- Re: Tolerance Melinda Shore
- Re: Tolerance Michael StJohns
- Re: Tolerance Melinda Shore
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Dave Cridland
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Michael StJohns
- Re: Tolerance Dave Cridland
- Re: Tolerance Dave Cridland
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- RE: Tolerance Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: Tolerance Doug Royer
- Re: Tolerance Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Tolerance Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Tolerance Richard Barnes
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Doug Royer
- Re: Tolerance Melinda Shore
- Re: Tolerance John Levine
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Salz, Rich
- Re: Tolerance Ross Finlayson
- Re: Tolerance Melinda Shore
- Re: Tolerance Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: Tolerance Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Nick Hilliard
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Carsten Bormann
- Re: Tolerance Ted Lemon
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance S Moonesamy
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance Ted Lemon
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Tolerance ned+ietf
- Re: Tolerance John Levine
- Re: Tolerance Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Celebrating NAT Was: Tolerance Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Integrating NAT [was Re: Celebrating NAT Was: Tol… Brian E Carpenter
- lies about URNs (was Re: Celebrating NAT) Keith Moore
- Re: lies about URNs (was Re: Celebrating NAT) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: lies about URNs (was Re: Celebrating NAT) Keith Moore
- Re: lies about URNs (was Re: Celebrating NAT) Jared Mauch
- Re: lies about URNs (was Re: Celebrating NAT) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: lies about URNs (was Re: Celebrating NAT) Matthew A. Miller
- Re: Celebrating NAT Was: Tolerance Nico Williams
- Re: Celebrating NAT Was: Tolerance Ross Finlayson
- Re: Celebrating NAT Was: Tolerance Keith Moore
- Re: Celebrating NAT Was: Tolerance Jared Mauch
- Re: Integrating NAT [was Re: Celebrating NAT Was:… Phillip Hallam-Baker