Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 11 August 2012 13:58 UTC

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On 11/08/2012 10:39, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> I wish to thank Phillip and Eric for their illuminating comments.
> 
> However, I'm still not clear on the role that great powers may play in
> the standards development and deployment, compared to that of vested
> interests.  

Traditionally, and still in some countries, the telecommunications
monopolist *is* the government, so defending the monopoly is directly
in the government's financial interest. In other countries, where
there's still a de facto monopoly, that monopolist is very good at
political lobbying. So in both those types of country, the vested
interest drives the government position. Add that to the governments
that want central control and/or monitoring of information, and you
get a strong bloc of political support for standards and regulations
that support monopoly, control, and eavesdropping.

    Brian