Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Fri, 10 August 2012 16:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
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I think the point needs to be made that standards organizations can only advise and not dictate. There is really no risk that ITU-T is going to end up in control of the technical standards that are implemented by the likes of Microsoft, Cisco or Google, let alone Apache, Mozilla and the folk on SourceForge and Github. The key defect in the ITU-T view of the world is that it is populated by people who think that they are making decisions that matter. In practice deciding telephone system standards right now is about as important as the next revision of the FORTRAN standard, it is not completely irrelevant but matters a lot more to the people in the meetings than anyone else. The strength of the IETF negotiating position comes from the fact that we cannot dictate terms to anyone. The consensus that matters is not just consensus among the people developing the specification document but consensus among the people who are expected to act on it. ITU-T can certainly set themselves up a Friendship Games if they like [1]. But they can't force people to show up, let alone implement their 'requirements'. >From a censorship busting point of view, the best thing that can happen for us is for the states attempting to gain control of the net in their country to attempt to standardize their approach. Much easier to circumvent fixed blocks than the current moving target. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_Games On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:19 AM, IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote: > > The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation > of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm, which can be found > here: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-iesg-opsplenary-15.pdf > > An earlier version was discussed in plenary, and the IAB Chair called > for comments on the IETF mail list. This version includes changes > that address those comments. > > Th IETF 84 Administrative plenary minutes have been posted, so that > discussion can be reviewed if desired. The minutes are here: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-iesg-opsplenary > > On 8 August 2012, the IEEE Standards Association Board of Governors > approved this version of the document. The approval process is > underway at the W3C as well. > > The IETF Chair and the IAB Chair intend to sign the Affirmation in the > next few weeks. Please send strong objections to the iab@iab.org > and the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-08-24. > > Thank you, > Russ Housley > IETF Chair -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/
- Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm IETF Chair
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm SM
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Bob Hinden
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Eric Burger
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Eggert, Lars
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm SM
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm GTW
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Noel Chiappa
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm John C Klensin
- RE: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Paul Hoffman
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Tobias Gondrom
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm SM
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Michael Tuexen
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Yoav Nir
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Yoav Nir
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Noel Chiappa
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Scott O Bradner
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Carsten Bormann
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Allison Mankin
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Scott O Bradner
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm SM
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Yoav Nir
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm ALAIN AINA
- Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Par… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Para… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Par… John C Klensin
- Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Par… Eric Burger
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Eliot Lear
- Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Par… ALAIN AINA
- Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Par… t.p.
- Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Par… John C Klensin
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- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Jonne.Soininen
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm IETF Chair
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm IETF Chair