Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
SM <sm@resistor.net> Sun, 12 August 2012 00:24 UTC
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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:06:08 -0700
To: Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com>
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
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Hi Yoav, At 13:08 11-08-2012, Yoav Nir wrote: >These operators are (hypothetically) Libyan citizens, >right? Residents of Libya who Yes. >The number of international gateways does not matter, if all the >operators have to comply with the government's blacklist, or have to >install a government-mandated policy on a government-mandated firewall. Yes. As these government-mandated policies only end up intercepting HTTP traffic it not worth the bother arguing about it. The entertaining part of the government blacklists is that they are maintained by an organization in another country. >Not trusting the certificate just means you get annoying warnings. >It won't let you circumvent it. Living in an authoritarian country >means you don't get to play cat & mouse with your government In most countries you don't play cat and mouse with the government. >I thought it was Al Gore running the Internet from his garage, no? :-) Regards, -sm
- Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm IETF Chair
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- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Eric Burger
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- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Tobias Gondrom
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- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Michael Tuexen
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Yoav Nir
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Yoav Nir
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Noel Chiappa
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- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm Scott O Bradner
- Re: Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm SM
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